Multiboxing rules - Guild Wars Forums

ghostwhisper · Apr 16, 2012, 06:48 PM // 18:48

What is guild wars stance on multiboxing?

Allowed to control all characters at once like Warcraft allows with multiboxing?

Allowed to have characters AFK in a PvE environment? Zone transport sitting?

or bad in general regardless of how I use it?

Olle · Apr 16, 2012, 07:37 PM // 19:37

If i understand what you're saying,

You are not allowed to controll all accounts at once

you can afk with more than 1 account in pve
and i guess, you can run your char's truh other areas.

all depends on if you OWN those accounts, otherwise its against the EULA since you cant share/use others accounts.

drkn · Apr 16, 2012, 07:40 PM // 19:40

Quote:

You are not allowed to controll all accounts at once

Why not?
You are allowed if you manage to do so.

As long as you don't bot, leech other people (who might get upset for it, eg in PvP; it's fine to buy an 'afk service', when someone does a mission or a vanquish for you while you're away, doing something on another account) or use any of those accounts to break EULA or other rules, you're free to go.

Daesu · Apr 16, 2012, 07:56 PM // 19:56

There is no rule against that as far as I know. I run my own characters through the game all the time, duo farming, etc.

It is hard to distinguish between one person controlling versus multiple players controlling the characters in the same household (i.e. same router)

Denar · Apr 16, 2012, 08:14 PM // 20:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Olle

You are not allowed to controll all accounts at once

I think gail says you can.

ghostwhisper · Apr 16, 2012, 08:48 PM // 20:48

Well the scenario shouldn't matter but lets say:

Scenario:
-I buy 8 accounts legitimately. I pay for them.
-I set them up
-Give all 8 characters searing flame on skill 1
-Put them all into a party
-Run out into a zone, all my characters spawn relatively close to each other
(IFFY PART)
-Send keyboard inputs that I control to all 8 programs to move them forward and mash the 1 button near a group of mobs at one time. (WoW allows this)
In other words my keyboard sends to all 8 characters the same input. I hit up arrow, they all move up. I hit 1, they all hit skill button 1.
-100 gold drops. I collect
-I transfer all gold onto my main account.
Rinse, repeat.

Allowed or part of how to get banned 101?

RedDog91 · Apr 16, 2012, 09:09 PM // 21:09

ArenaNet does not support multiboxing. You won't be banned for multiboxing, but you also won't be saved by using it as an alibi.
The way you described what you want to do makes it sound like it could easily be mistaken for botting, and would result in a ban. And if that happens, even by mistake, it wouldn't help to mention that you were multiboxing when appealing your ban. Since it is not supported, it would not be able to be used as a viable alibi.

Bristlebane · Apr 16, 2012, 09:30 PM // 21:30

Basically you're allowed to play as many accounts simultaneously as you want,
as long as your characters doesn't play themselves using macros, by botting, or by other means while you're AFK.

Vilaptca · Apr 16, 2012, 09:53 PM // 21:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by ghostwhisper

Well the scenario shouldn't matter but lets say:

Scenario:
-I buy 8 accounts legitimately. I pay for them.
-I set them up
-Give all 8 characters searing flame on skill 1
-Put them all into a party
-Run out into a zone, all my characters spawn relatively close to each other
(IFFY PART)
-Send keyboard inputs that I control to all 8 programs to move them forward and mash the 1 button near a group of mobs at one time. (WoW allows this)
In other words my keyboard sends to all 8 characters the same input. I hit up arrow, they all move up. I hit 1, they all hit skill button 1.
-100 gold drops. I collect
-I transfer all gold onto my main account.
Rinse, repeat.

Allowed or part of how to get banned 101?

This will get you banned. It's when you start mapping multiple functions to one key that you are going to be getting in trouble.

Xenomortis · Apr 16, 2012, 09:56 PM // 21:56

Oh? Macros have largely been given the OK in the past.
You're not botting and are still giving all the required input commands yourself.

The Mountain · Apr 16, 2012, 11:23 PM // 23:23

I don't have time to quote the relevant passage, but I believe in addition to bots, the EULA also says any software that gives you an advantage over playing regularly. So, technically against the rules. Will you get banned? I doubt it.

Icy The Mage · Apr 16, 2012, 11:30 PM // 23:30

I did that with 8 characters with Invoke Lightning and decided to stop because I was probably going to get banned for doing superperfect invoke spikes (which were lulzy as hell mind you) on people and they were raging.

MithranArkanere · Apr 16, 2012, 11:32 PM // 23:32

The default position is always "better not risk it".

Some IPs get banned when they get too many suspicious activity from the same IP, judging from some complains I've read.

Spiritz · Apr 16, 2012, 11:38 PM // 23:38

From what i recall in the past beinf stated by either gail or another anet staff member was along the lines- texmod and gwmulti are not supported by anet and as texmod doesnt change any of the coding ( just changes eye candy which isnt perma ) and gwmulti doesnt change/edit any of the coding they are fine.
Its been discussed many times in many threads - search will provide some answers.

Btw i run 2 accounts at once , i ended up doing all campaigns and eotn on both with 2nd account in tow .Now i wasnt botting , and had control of both accounts and only doing pve - but i`ll say this , it was a bugger and cause of much stress and headaches.
Now when i decide to do some duo farming i can , or if farms get slow on 1st account i can log off then log on 2nd account and play.
And if anet thought my 2nd account was a bot - gawd it must have looked one crappy bot as its had more deaths and fails on it then ive probably got on main account.

Daesu · Apr 17, 2012, 12:38 AM // 00:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by ghostwhisper

Well the scenario shouldn't matter but lets say:

Scenario:
-I buy 8 accounts legitimately. I pay for them.
-I set them up
-Give all 8 characters searing flame on skill 1
-Put them all into a party
-Run out into a zone, all my characters spawn relatively close to each other
(IFFY PART)
-Send keyboard inputs that I control to all 8 programs to move them forward and mash the 1 button near a group of mobs at one time. (WoW allows this)
In other words my keyboard sends to all 8 characters the same input. I hit up arrow, they all move up. I hit 1, they all hit skill button 1.
-100 gold drops. I collect
-I transfer all gold onto my main account.
Rinse, repeat.

Allowed or part of how to get banned 101?

I think the best people to answer that would be the lawyers. The interesting part would be point 7 of their User Agreement.

Quote:

You agree not to use any hardware or software, including but not limited to third party tools, or any other method of support which may in any way influence or advantage your use of the Service which is not authorized by NC Interactive, including but not limited to the use of 'bots' and/or any other method by which the Service may be played automatically without human input.

I have not used any third party software with GW and I have never landed into any issues with ANet for the past 7 years. I just use a wireless keyboard+mouse and control 2 computers at the same time. It is not hard once you get used to it. I duo play on both accounts 99% of the time.

The Mountain · Apr 17, 2012, 12:43 AM // 00:43

Yeah, that's the line I was referring to :-)

Defining 'human input' is the tricky bit. I mean, even bots require humans to start them, so...

DRGN · Apr 17, 2012, 12:57 AM // 00:57

I seem to recall Gaile or someone else clarifying this around the ToPK bans: they really don't care much about skill-binding macros in PvE, but they'll get you banned in PvP. I'll go see if I can find that thread.

EDIT: Okay, not quite what I thought it was, but here:

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_...h_G15_Keyboard

Maybe that helps a little bit.

Junato · Apr 17, 2012, 02:53 AM // 02:53

reference:http://www.guildwars.com/support/leg...-agreement.php

Quote:

7. OFFICIAL SERVICE

The Game(s) is designed for official play only as offered through the Service by NC Interactive at the Web Site and not through any other means. You further agree not to access, create or provide any other means through which Game(s) may be played by others, as through server emulators. You agree not to use any hardware or software, including but not limited to third party tools, or any other method of support which may in any way influence or advantage your use of the Service which is not authorized by NC Interactive, including but not limited to the use of 'bots' and/or any other method by which the Service may be played automatically without human input. You acknowledge that you do not have the right to create, publish, distribute, create derivative works from or use any software programs, utilities, applications, emulators or tools derived from or created for the Game(s), except that you may use the Software to the extent expressly permitted by this Agreement. You may not take any action which imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on our infrastructure. You may not sell or auction any Game(s) accounts, characters, items, coin or copyrighted material, nor may you assist others in doing so. NC Interactive may from time to time in its sole discretion implement various forms of filtering, blocking or monitoring of IP addresses or proxies used to use, play or access the Game(s) or the Service, including without limitation blocking or filtering measures that restrict your ability to use, play or access the Game(s) or Service outside of the territories in which NC Interactive makes the Game(s) or Service available.

Just in case you clicked the box that said you have read the user agreement and didn't actually read it. Many people don't bother reading it.

The legalese explained: Don't create programs that would create a load on their infrastructure. If you do it is NC Interactive will use discretion whether or not they should ban you.

majoho · Apr 17, 2012, 03:06 PM // 15:06

I can't think of any MMO where multiboxing isn't allowed (remember multiboxing isn't botting)

However GW has few built in commands to make it viable so that's why you don't really see it in GW.

Apr 16, 2012, 06:48 PM // 18:48	#1
ghostwhisper Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jun 2006 Profession: W/Mo	Multiboxing rules What is guild wars stance on multiboxing? Allowed to control all characters at once like Warcraft allows with multiboxing? Allowed to have characters AFK in a PvE environment? Zone transport sitting? or bad in general regardless of how I use it?

Apr 16, 2012, 08:48 PM // 20:48	#6
ghostwhisper Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jun 2006 Profession: W/Mo	Well the scenario shouldn't matter but lets say: Scenario: -I buy 8 accounts legitimately. I pay for them. -I set them up -Give all 8 characters searing flame on skill 1 -Put them all into a party -Run out into a zone, all my characters spawn relatively close to each other (IFFY PART) -Send keyboard inputs that I control to all 8 programs to move them forward and mash the 1 button near a group of mobs at one time. (WoW allows this) In other words my keyboard sends to all 8 characters the same input. I hit up arrow, they all move up. I hit 1, they all hit skill button 1. -100 gold drops. I collect -I transfer all gold onto my main account. Rinse, repeat. Allowed or part of how to get banned 101? Last edited by ghostwhisper; Apr 16, 2012 at 08:50 PM // 20:50..

Apr 17, 2012, 12:57 AM // 00:57	#17
DRGN Krytan Explorer Join Date: Nov 2005 Guild: In Memorium [iBot] Profession: Mo/A	I seem to recall Gaile or someone else clarifying this around the ToPK bans: they really don't care much about skill-binding macros in PvE, but they'll get you banned in PvP. I'll go see if I can find that thread. EDIT: Okay, not quite what I thought it was, but here: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_...h_G15_Keyboard Maybe that helps a little bit. Last edited by DRGN; Apr 17, 2012 at 01:05 AM // 01:05..

Apr 16, 2012, 07:37 PM // 19:37	#2
Olle Furnace Stoker Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Ign: Miniature Julia Guild: Teh Academy[PhD] Profession: W/	If i understand what you're saying, You are not allowed to controll all accounts at once you can afk with more than 1 account in pve and i guess, you can run your char's truh other areas. all depends on if you OWN those accounts, otherwise its against the EULA since you cant share/use others accounts.

Apr 16, 2012, 07:56 PM // 19:56	#4
Daesu Furnace Stoker Join Date: Oct 2008	There is no rule against that as far as I know. I run my own characters through the game all the time, duo farming, etc. It is hard to distinguish between one person controlling versus multiple players controlling the characters in the same household (i.e. same router)

Apr 16, 2012, 09:09 PM // 21:09	#7
RedDog91 Desert Nomad Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Farming for Nick gifts Profession: R/	ArenaNet does not support multiboxing. You won't be banned for multiboxing, but you also won't be saved by using it as an alibi. The way you described what you want to do makes it sound like it could easily be mistaken for botting, and would result in a ban. And if that happens, even by mistake, it wouldn't help to mention that you were multiboxing when appealing your ban. Since it is not supported, it would not be able to be used as a viable alibi.

Apr 16, 2012, 09:30 PM // 21:30	#8
Bristlebane Desert Nomad Join Date: Jan 2008 Profession: Mo/	Basically you're allowed to play as many accounts simultaneously as you want, as long as your characters doesn't play themselves using macros, by botting, or by other means while you're AFK.

Apr 16, 2012, 09:56 PM // 21:56	#10
Xenomortis Tea Powered Join Date: May 2008 Location: UK Profession: N/	Oh? Macros have largely been given the OK in the past. You're not botting and are still giving all the required input commands yourself.

Apr 16, 2012, 11:23 PM // 23:23	#11
The Mountain Forge Runner Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Realm of the GWAMMs Guild: Teh Academy [PhD] Profession: W/	I don't have time to quote the relevant passage, but I believe in addition to bots, the EULA also says any software that gives you an advantage over playing regularly. So, technically against the rules. Will you get banned? I doubt it.

Apr 16, 2012, 11:30 PM // 23:30	#12
Icy The Mage Forge Runner Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canada Profession: E/	I did that with 8 characters with Invoke Lightning and decided to stop because I was probably going to get banned for doing superperfect invoke spikes (which were lulzy as hell mind you) on people and they were raging.

Apr 16, 2012, 11:32 PM // 23:32	#13
MithranArkanere Underworld Spelunker Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo Guild: Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO] Profession: E/	The default position is always "better not risk it". Some IPs get banned when they get too many suspicious activity from the same IP, judging from some complains I've read.

Apr 16, 2012, 11:38 PM // 23:38	#14
Spiritz Forge Runner Join Date: Apr 2007 Guild: DMFC	From what i recall in the past beinf stated by either gail or another anet staff member was along the lines- texmod and gwmulti are not supported by anet and as texmod doesnt change any of the coding ( just changes eye candy which isnt perma ) and gwmulti doesnt change/edit any of the coding they are fine. Its been discussed many times in many threads - search will provide some answers. Btw i run 2 accounts at once , i ended up doing all campaigns and eotn on both with 2nd account in tow .Now i wasnt botting , and had control of both accounts and only doing pve - but i`ll say this , it was a bugger and cause of much stress and headaches. Now when i decide to do some duo farming i can , or if farms get slow on 1st account i can log off then log on 2nd account and play. And if anet thought my 2nd account was a bot - gawd it must have looked one crappy bot as its had more deaths and fails on it then ive probably got on main account.

Apr 17, 2012, 12:43 AM // 00:43	#16
The Mountain Forge Runner Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Realm of the GWAMMs Guild: Teh Academy [PhD] Profession: W/	Yeah, that's the line I was referring to :-) Defining 'human input' is the tricky bit. I mean, even bots require humans to start them, so...

Apr 17, 2012, 03:06 PM // 15:06	#19
majoho Forge Runner Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Denmark	I can't think of any MMO where multiboxing isn't allowed (remember multiboxing isn't botting) However GW has few built in commands to make it viable so that's why you don't really see it in GW.